The problem is, the time frame for when the murders could’ve happened is fairly large. CHEMISTRY. They had both eaten a fruity-milky concoction shortly before death. They neither one had on underwear. Her teeth were straight. author, autopsy, Bicentennial celebrations, coroner, crime scene photo, dead, dental work, DNA, Does, female deer, fingerprints, gun, gunpoint, history, jewelry, John and Jane Doe, kidnapped, missing, missing underwear, motive, murdered, Nation's Capitol, porn movie, robbery, Sara Marie Hogg, Sheriff's department, shot, South Carolina, strange mysteries, Sumter County, trauma, wealthy, witness protection, Copyright © 2011-2021 Caleb and Linda Pirtle. Surely families were missing them. Melba wondered these things as she kept running across this entry on web lists while doing research on strange mysteries. Clean people that they were, that seems odd! 71. She found the ones that the police sketches had been made from. Was she searching in the wrong place? There were celebrations every where all that summer all over the country. While the evidence was thin, police did manage to develop several theories including one which targets a person of interest with a connection to the disappearance of another woman. Their identities will be released at a later date by the Sumter County Sherriff's Department. Sumter County was officially founded in 1853, but its history goes back much further than that. Young people such as these might be the exception. ‎Trace Evidence is a weekly true crime podcast that focuses on unsolved cases, from chilling murders to missing persons. Please consider the following counterpoint regarding Craig Estep’s June 7 Op-Ed titled: The real math behind the 25% Sumter County tax increase.Mr. Are those really that way, or was that feature added by an artist? The area had been settled for several decades by the time the Legislature chartered it as the states 29th county. Trace Evidence podcast on demand - Trace Evidence is a weekly true crime podcast that focuses on unsolved cases, from chilling murders to missing persons. Another piece I learned from the podcast was that Henry was known to have a pretty severe drinking problem and had accidentally killed a coworker by running them over with a piece of machinery. Well, there goes my "Working Vacation." She decided to delve further. The serial number had been partially filed away. Like a whole day/night. I have some really BIG news. They don’t have time to mess with the “merely curious.”  After a few hours of thinking it over she decided to send the Sumter County Sheriff’s Department an email. According to Sumter County Sheriff Anthony Dennis, Jock Doe was from Pennsylvania, while Jane Doe was from Wisconsin. Photo credit: rarehistoricalphotos.com, thesamikhsya.com. I admit, I always leaned more towards Europe because the woman didn't have shaved legs, and I know that in many European countries, women don't shave their legs or armpits. The Sumter Mystery Couple has been identified! Each victim had been shot three times, receiving one shot in … But, then again, maybe the thief didn't care about the jewelry and was more interested in their car, and any cash they probably had. The Writing Traveler: Why not send us your favorite travel stories? Sumter County Council Tuesday evening denied a request to rezone a tract of land for a cemetery, passed second reading for a request to amend an ordinance related to a salvage yard and passed third and final reading to allow feather flags with specific guidelines. T They had apparently traveled through various places in the United States before being killed in … 5 Disturbing Theories On The Sumter County Does Murders: Unsolved - Duration: 6:07. Close. One USSR athlete famously defected but later agreed to go back. The Authors Collection, Sampler: Lost in Transit by Ray Stone and Gabrielle Burt, Next year, I’m walking to California by Sally Berneathy. They both had olive skin. If they were wealthy this is even more likely. They did not have any drugs or alcohol in their systems. Jane Doe’s legs were not shaven. The "Carolina Backcountry," as it was then known, became a predominantly agricultural area called Craven County, later Claremont County. Sumter County, SC, and its County seat, the City of Sumter, were named for Revolutionary War General Thomas Sumter (1734-1832), who was a resident of the area. He owned a revolver (found in his vehicle) of the same kind as the murder weapon. I can't wait to hear if any of my own theories were even close. I think that it's very likely they had a car, and that they picked up someone hitchhiking who robbed them and took their car, and shot them so they wouldn't be able to identify the thief, even though the killer didn't take the man's watch, which was expensive apparently. Please consider the following counterpoint regarding Craig Estep’s June 7 Op-Ed titled: The real math behind the 25% Sumter County tax increase.Mr. A subreddit dedicated to the unresolved mysteries of the world. Theories ran rampant:  They were Canadians. The Sumter County does, also known as Jock and Jane Doe, are unidentified murder victims. There was a cold case profiled on Canadian TV about Reet Jurvetson...she was found in California way back when. Sumter County Maps; COURT SYSTEM. Descriptions of the woman had included that she had extra thick and long eyelashes—more so than most—and that she had two unique moles on the left side of her face. In the 1740's, the first English-speaking settlers arrived to establish roots along the banks of the Wateree River. Jan 2, 2021 - Explore Tracey Robbins's board "Unidentified John & Jane Doe", followed by 1167 people on Pinterest. The Trace Evidence podcast covered this case just this week and he went into pretty good detail about the man who was found with the murder weapon. For each unsolved case, there are the victi… Submissions should outline a mystery and provide a link to a more detailed review of the case such as a Wiki article or news report. Three Romanians also defected in Canada but not all of them were named. I also focused on contact sports and sports that are common among wealthier people, like sailing, keeping in mind they may not have defected but simply decided to travel after the games. According to a campground attendant the Male’s name was Jacques and that his dental work was very abnormal for the US. Sumter County was established by the Florida Legislature on January 8, 1853. I posted this on another thread, but it still astounds me that they found a man with the murder weapon and nothing ever came of it. That was kind of far-fetched and there was no evidence of their ever turning up in a porn movie, anywhere. She was Canadian but her parents were recent immigrants from Estonia. She put on her detective hat. I think they were taking this road to catch a flight in a larger city or trying to get to the French consulate. One theory is that the couple were involved in drug smuggling or some form of organised crime which would explain the execution style demise they met, the Mafia has been suggested as a culprit for the murders. Sumter, SC National Enduro Round 1 - Duration: 9:32. Sketches of the Sumter County John and Jane Doe (Image: Sumter Mystery Couple Facebook) The pair died on a summer morning by the side of the road in Sumter County, South Carolina. When I heard of them I thought someone was watching them cause they were wearing expensive watches and rings, but they were found with it. This was inferred from some o MAPPING. I went down a serious rabbit hole with this last night pursuing the angle that one or both of the victims could have been involved in the summer Olympics in Montreal. What would happen if I contacted the Sheriff’s Department? Still there are no answers. MAPPING. A phone call would be too disruptive. I always assumed they were either from Canada or from Europe and that their families never reported them missing, which is why they have not been identified, and that their families weren't looking for them because they had left possibly on bad terms and in the intervening years, there may not be anyone still alive from their immediate families. The young man’s ring has the initials, “JPF” engraved on the inside of the band. She had been very attractive and you could see all of this in the death photo. The watch was nice, but why not a Rolex, if wealthy? Theories on the Sumter County Does. The Sumter County Does have been a pet case of mine for a while and I want to flush out an idea I had.... a lot of people point to the male being French Canadian from Quebec but I believe that the couple are French nationals. That was the year of all the Bicentennial celebrations on television and elsewhere, Melba thought. This was inferred from some of their belongings. Years ago a man was arrested for DWI in South Carolina, Lonnie George Henry. Sumter County voters are going to the polls today to consider raising their property taxes by eight mills. I got a good giggle out of this too, I was just thinking "Damn, someone should offer that guy a job as a detective", New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the UnresolvedMysteries community, Continue browsing in r/UnresolvedMysteries. In 1977, a man was arrested in Latta, South Carolina for driving while intoxicated. See more ideas about unidentified, john doe, cold case. Melba decided to do more research. It proved to be the gun that had killed the young couple. Whenever this case comes up I feel like that detail sort of just gets glossed over. It was hard to tell. They were from Argentina or another South American country. Their family might not have reported them missing because they assumed they were committing immigration fraud of some kind or just lost touch because the 70s. They had apparently traveled through various places in the United States before being killed in South Carolina. SUMTER COUNTY DOES IDENTIFIED!!! A crime scene photo had been blown up and posted in a chat room about cold cases. I started going through the roster looking for male athletes with a last name beginning with "F" because of the initials on the ring. That usually seems to be the case with these well publicized cases of unidentified does that are still unidentified after decades-- no missing person reports, no family or close family still alive. Sumter County’s Median HH Income. And truly old money wealthy people did not have the need to show off their wealth with bling. Middle class people often splurge on expensive dental work. I’d bet if he had lived long enough for forensic technology to advance to where it is now that he would’ve eventually been arrested, no doubt. They mentioned that in many European families, when a teen kid walked out, that was it and they were basically gone from the family for good (I am paraphrasing based on memory but watch the doc, it was great). For the past 8 years I have been working on a cold case involving an unidentified couple that was executed on a dirt road in Sumter… Days of research on the Worldwide Web had not provided any more answers. Sumter County Democratic Executive Steering Committee 2nd Monday @ 5:00pm -7:00pm. Trace Evidence ***Sponsored by Caliper CBD. Mousey little Melba’s mind started working overtime when she got to the part about no underwear. See reviews, photos, directions, phone numbers and more for Sumter County Government locations in Sumter, SC. Are their faces frozen that way due to trauma or are they in some stage of rigor? It came back as being registered to Henry’s brother (maybe brother in law?) Their identities will be released at a later date by the Sumter County Sherriff's Department. So totally off topic but where did you get the info tgat europeans don't shave? Find 53 listings related to Sumter County Government in Sumter on YP.com. They were both clean and had taken showers within the last twenty-four hours. Maybe it was a porn movie and their faces were not visible. There are several Sumter Counties in the USA. Back then, before internet, and Google, and DNA databases, and social media, and instant access to news from everywhere, it would have been relatively easy to be from another state, another country, and have never seen or heard of the case. Me too!!! Sumter County Steering Committee xxx … Maybe you will have better luck than me! Maybe they were headed towards another Bicentennial celebration somewhere, in D.C. even, after leaving Florida. Theory on the Sumter County Does. The Sumter County Does are in fact John and Jane Doe, found murdered 400 meters off of I-95 in a pine-tree riddled spot of Sumter County, South Carolina on August 9, 1976 by a passing trucker. The city and county of Sumter have a colorful history stretching back more than 300 years. Democratic Headquarters 300 South Main St. Wildwood, FL 34785. That really made my ears perk up. The bodies were on the grass, kind of splayed out. Are they a type of female deer that is indigenous to only Sumter County? It was a thing also in the 70s for men to not wear underwear. On February 19, 1971, two teenage hitchhikers discovered a partially submerged figure floating beneath a highway overpass in Lake Panasoffkee, Florida.. The Sumter Mystery Couple has been identified! I think Henry’s alibi was that he was visiting a family member in the hospital. Third Judicial Circuit Public Records Search; Third Judicial Circuit Court Rosters; Family Court System; LAW ENFORCEMENT. The couple had been shot in the back after they stepped from the rear of a van. ... Trump pressed his hopeless case to overturn the election in front of the crowd in a speech laced with conspiracy theories. CHEMISTRY Chemistry. The Sumter County Does, also known as Jock Doe and Jane Doe, were two unidentified homicide victims found in Sumter County, South Carolina, on August 9, 1976.They had apparen tly traveled through various places in the United States before being killed in South Carolina. City of Sumter, South Carolina PO Box 1449 21 N. Main Street Sumter, SC 29150 (803) 436-2500 Unresolved Murder. According to a campground attendant the Male’s name was Jacques and that his dental work was very abnormal for the US. From Wikipedia: “The Sumter County Does, also known as Jock Doe and Jane Doe, were two unidentified homicide victims found in Sumter County, South Carolina, on August 9, 1976. The Strangest Recommended for you. Leadership Sumter County builds and strengthens the Sumter community through training its leaders for the challenges of tomorrow. Henry is the obvious suspect and I believe the police have said he is their guy - they believe he did it but he died 6 years after the murders so he will never be brought to justice. The Sumter County Does are in fact John and Jane Doe, found murdered 400 meters off of I-95 in a pine-tree riddled spot of Sumter County, South Carolina on August 9, 1976 by a passing trucker. I feel like anyone with an accent or acting French-Canadian in any way, shape, or form would stick out so much in South Carolina (I’m from here). This was inferred from some of their belongings. Do I dare look at post mortem photos, if they are available? Melba was bothered by all of these questions. There was a theory posted on the web sleuths board that suggested the missing were Ron Yakimchuk and Terry Pettit, a husband and wife from Canada. The Sumter County Sheriff's Office is founded on the principles of integrity, respect, honesty, and caring for others. Please click the book cover image to read more about Sara Marie Hogg and her novels. I also looked for people that didn't compete again after 1976 because they would be um... dead. It sounds kinda strange. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. ... Investigators have not uncovered a motive, but they have learned that Warner may have believed in conspiracy theories… Congrats to … Sumter County, Florida 7375 Powell Road Wildwood, FL 34785 Ph: 352-689-4400 FX: 352 689-4401 Contact Us If they were competing in Canada (the games ended on the 1st, bodies were found on the 9th, so maybe the timeline doesn't add up unless they left the games early) the "from Canada" thing could be a tip of the tongue lie. Mr. Henry finally admitted that he had filed the numbers off himself, but why? Also, at this point - we have to assume if there are any relatives left of the Sumter County couple - they would probably be siblings or friends of them. For the past 8 years I have been working on a cold case involving an unidentified couple that was executed on a dirt road in Sumter… The young man was thought to be in his early twenties, the young woman was most probably in her late teens or early twenties. I agree, were probably using I-95 and ran into trouble somehow. My Review of Finding Billy Battles by Ronald E. Yates, DNA testing has proven that John and Jane Doe were, There was no indication of European descent through DNA. He died in 1982 without giving any more information. It was 1976, the U.S. Not only that, we have two more military bases within an hour from here that were around at that time too. It had had all of the serial numbers when given, the relative insisted. Most of the information about the games only includes people who placed. Sumter, S.C. 29150 The Delinquent Tax Sale slated for Dec. 7, 2020, has been cancelled, as per Sumter County Treasurer Carolina Richardson. Many people traveled to the nation’s capitol for history’s sake. I was nearly seven years old in the summer of '76. Many French Quebecoise and Maritimers have little or no accent when speaking English. We have an Air Force base in our county that’s been in operation since 1941. If they had spent any time around Sumter county, I think someone would’ve noticed them as outsiders immediately. There are conflicting theories as to how Joseph and Magda Goebbels killed themselves and their children, but we know they all died on May 1, 1945. Not necessarily, I live in Sumter. Third Judicial Circuit Public Records Search; Third Judicial Circuit Court Rosters; Family Court System; LAW ENFORCEMENT. I have some really BIG news. From Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia The Sumter County Does, also known as Jock Doe and Jane Doe, were two unidentified homicide victims found in Sumter County, South Carolina, on August 9, 1976. (Scott Olson/Getty Images) (SUMTER, S.C.) A woman found shot to death in South Carolina in 1976 has been identified by her DNA as Pamela Mae Buckley of Colorado Springs, according to The Denver Post.. Sumter County Sheriff Anthony Dennis said Thursday that Buckley and a man, later identified as James Paul Freund of Pennsylvania, were found in August 1976 on a road off Interstate … Estep is perpetuating a conspiracy theory that is being chanted by a small, but vocal, group of people who are trying to convince Sumter County taxpayers that the sky is falling. The serial number was scraped off but police were still able to decipher it. There were three questions she wanted answered—answers that she had not found in her research, that they should know by now. No, not for sure wealthy, Melba thought. chilling unsolved mysteries By | January 11, 2021 | Comments Off on chilling unsolved mysteries | January 11, 2021 | Comments Off on chilling unsolved mysteries He took a polygraph. The only witness to their deaths reported he heard a car driving down a dirt road that ran between I-95 and a state highway. Riser is the #1 local services app to get quotes from local professionals in Eastover, South Carolina. The Sumter County Does remain unknown. Sketches of the Sumter County John and Jane Doe (Image: Sumter Mystery Couple Facebook) The pair died on a summer morning by the side of the road in Sumter County, South Carolina. Hmmm. Sumter County has changed its name and boundaries several times. The simplest and most likely explanation for the motive and lack of resolution to the case is a random theft and shooting that had nothing to do with Leah Rowlands or anyone she knew. The man looks a lot like photos of Ron. It's one that I've puzzled over for years also. On January 19, 2021, the DNA Doe Project, which had previously solved the Buckskin Girl case, announced that the Sumter County Does had been successfully identified. After thirty minutes of searching on the web, Melba found the crime scene photo. This is all just off the top of my head from memory so I may have gotten some small details wrong, I am a little shaken on the murder weapon because that was such a common firearm for the time (357 magnum revolver) to the point where it was the standard issue for the SCHP, and ballistic matching is not as concrete as other forensic sciences. He did not kill them, the polygraph indicated, but he was being deceptive about where he had gotten the gun in the first place. Robbery Homicide. And of course even if you could see all the names of the athletes you can't know the coaches, coaches family, friends, and spectators. Posted by u/[deleted] 6 years ago. It was of their death faces. I admit, I always leaned more towards Europe because the woman didn't have shaved legs, and I know that in many European countries, women don't shave their legs or armpits. It was a contract hit. Various reports listed them as “wealthy,” because of expensive dental work the young man had, his expensive watch, and other jewelry. Sumter County South Carolina. ;), “If they had spent any time around Sumter county, I think someone would’ve noticed them as outsiders immediately.”. While the evidence was thin, police did manage to develop several theories including one which targets a person of interest with a connection to the disappearance of another woman. You could not see the faces closely. Trace Evidence ***Sponsored by Caliper CBD. Doe Diaries: Instalment 2 Sumter County Does. Could they be a girls’ drill team that performed at halftime for a football team called the Stags or Bucks? I also think they are French Canadian, but perhaps their families were recent immigrants from Europe. What makes me think his is French is that the shirt he was wearing had the 1975 Camel challenge race at Sebring logo on it, looking at the teams in that race a few were actually French and would compete in the years prior to the bodies being found and after. Why? Also, I wouldn't think "Jacques" would say he was from Canada, if he wasn't, even though maybe they weren't born there, but emigrated there when they were young from Europe or maybe were born in Canada and later moved to the U.S. None of the reports I have read about the case ever mention if they had accents. Named for Revolutionary War hero Gen. Thomas Sumter, the county was originally part of Marion County. (Scott Olson/Getty Images) (SUMTER, S.C.) A woman found shot to death in South Carolina in 1976 has been identified by her DNA as Pamela Mae Buckley of Colorado Springs, according to The Denver Post.. Sumter County Sheriff Anthony Dennis said Thursday that Buckley and a man, later identified as James Paul Freund of Pennsylvania, were found in August 1976 on a road off Interstate … In other photos, the mouths and eyes were open. What in the world are Sumter County Does? The bodies were kept sealed in a funeral home for a time in hopes of identification. That would be kind of nervy of me. The "Carolina Backcountry," as it was then known, became a predominantly agricultural area called Craven County, later Claremont County. Sumter Daily Item Newspaper; Santee Wateree Regional Transportation Authority; ONLINE SERVICES. Haley Varnum - Theorist Observation Journal.doc - Theorist Observation Journal Name Entry Teacher Date Grade Observation of the Classroom(How is the ... How does their theory impact the early childhood education classroom?) Sumter County Does unidentified for over 40 years. The man was located but was not charged because insufficient evidence existed to file charges against this individual with the murders. A gun was found in his possession. The Sumter County Does, also known as Jock Doe and Jane Doe, were two unidentified homicide victims found in Sumter County, South Carolina, on August 9, 1976.They had apparently traveled through various places in the United States before being killed in South Carolina. Their caskets had windows for viewing the faces. Could he have gotten so inebriated that he killed them and had no memory of it, thus tricking the polygraph? Melba decided to take a chance. Replies analysing and speculating over the mystery and possible explanations are encouraged. But as the attendant seemed to believe Jacques, to me that suggests he at least had some kind of French accent as opposed to a generic Canadian as some FC do. Another half hour of research revealed another photo. Archived. I am posting this in case someone else wants to take up the mantle of this angle. Who were the Sumter County Does? Hmmmm. T They had apparently traveled through various places in the United States before being killed in South Carolina. Had they been kidnapped, forced to make a porn movie at gunpoint, then forced to dress hastily, and exit the van* to be murdered? It was her friends, decades later, who saw her photo and recognized her. They had apparently traveled through various places in the United States before being killed in South Carolina. There is one person I am intrigued by but I don't want to post their name yet because I feel bad speculating about living people. and when police questioned the brother he told them he had gifted Henry the gun many years prior, and when he did the serial number was intact. 6:07. Get it free today! They were drug-runners. Discovery of the body. Their eyes were open and their mouths were open, it seemed, in horror. The Sumter County Does have been a pet case of mine for a while and I want to flush out an idea I had.... a lot of people point to the male being French Canadian from Quebec but … In the 1740's, the first English-speaking settlers arrived to establish roots along the banks of the Wateree River. 65,000 COVID-19 vaccine appointments on hold in Sumter County. Phone: 803-436-2213 Fax: 803-436-2469. A relative admitted giving him the .357 Smith and Wesson for a birthday. Bicentennial. This … *  The murderer then rolled them over and shot them again in the necks, under their chins to make sure they were dead. The woman's legs might have been unshaved only because she didn't have access to a razor while she was traveling. Sumter County Maps; COURT SYSTEM. While the evidence was thin, police did manage to develop several theories including one which targets a person of interest with a connection to the disappearance of another woman. The killer then drove off in a cloud of dust, taking the underwear with him? It was horrible. Unresolved Murder. That way if it was an heirloom the first name wouldn't have to match. Again, you could see all of this in the photos. They were later buried in a parish cemetery, to be exhumed and tested for DNA, then buried again. She was shocked when Lt. Robert Burnish sent a speedy reply and answered all three of her questions: Lt. Robert Burnish also stated, “if your readers have, or pass on, any information, we would love to hear from you.”. Sumter County, Florida 7375 Powell Road Wildwood, FL 34785 Ph: 352-689-4400 FX: 352 689-4401 Contact Us Sumter Daily Item Newspaper; Santee Wateree Regional Transportation Authority; ONLINE SERVICES. It could have been the same scenario for the Sumter does. A, Paula’s Review: That Old Flame of Mine by J. J. Cook, When someone had a little faith in me. Seeing as they would be somewhere in their 60's today (20's when they died), their parents may not be alive any longer as they would be estimated to be in their 80's to 90s. I still hope to see this case solved. Originally, Sumter County had an area of 1,672 miles, but that was reduced to 681 square miles due to the formation of Clarendon County in 1855, and then Lee County in 1902. Sumter County Median Household Income equaled $52,594 in 2017, boasting a 18.1% gain since 2010, and again ranking Sumter County first among Florida counties, this time in the category of Growth of Median Household Income. I would think that would be an obvious give-away if they were from Europe or were French-Canadian, however. Lol. I was wondering what was the reason why they weren't wearing underwear. Juan Rodriguez. Sumter County, Florida 7375 Powell Road Wildwood, FL 34785 Ph: 352-689-4400 FX: 352 689-4401 Contact Us I, myself was one, although it was by plane and in the month of April. 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